Tell us about, I know how you got started, but how did you get started in pro wrestling? And what was your background in the Bay area that you were doing that got you into the position where you and Steve Pardee got into business?

Well, like Nick was, Nick first got into the ring.

He probably was in the ring before me, but first little bit that he could do in the ring, he was three years old.

I was the same way, but I was not in the ring then.

I was three years old watching Nick.

National All-Star Wrestling, and then it became Big Time Wrestling.

It depended where you lived.

absolutely my idol.