Yeah, we need to be exposed to

them by way of eating them, which we're not doing.

yeah i mean you know the the organic thing i don't like to always be down on organic in the sense of i like farmers and it's fine if we find sustainable methods and of course nobody wants to be chugging pesticides but what we have on the data on that is the levels that we're exposed to on conventional crops are not a problem especially when you do like a 15 second cold water rinse which is how the usda tests its crops for its pesticide contamination after that i also think people misunderstand organic organic doesn't mean chemical free So remember that there can be chemicals that are, quote, natural that are still harmful to people.

And also organic doesn't mean healthier in the sense of when we look at the nutrients therein, not just necessarily the pesticides or chemicals on top of them, but let's say whether or not they have a lot of vitamin C, they're not necessarily always better when they're organic because that's going to depend on how much sun and what was the soil.

And so conventional crops can come out, quote, healthier than organic.

So, you know, again, from a farmer perspective, like there can be some great local farmers who are organic and I love that and that's wonderful, but people do not need to spend all of this money on organic from a safety or a health point of view.

And then to get to your point, like Juliette, the canned and the frozen can be very healthy and sometimes more healthy than fresh because they will be preserved at their height of freshness versus maybe something that you've had shipped across the country and been at the bottom of your, gross or your fridge drawer for three weeks which starts to lessen its nutrient quality and i don't want people to get obsessed about that but people will have these ranking systems of what is healthy in their diet and it has to be organic and fresh and it's like no sometimes the frozen broccoli is the fresher option and also will help you get through the bag of broccoli

So what are those things in this book for you?

Tell me about the three pillars that are the foundation of good nutrition.

Yeah.

So the principles are this underlying physiology and even psychology that I think hold true regardless of the diet you follow.

You want to do paleo, you want to do macros, you want to do low carb.

If you see success, you had adherence to these principles in some form or fashion.

And I think they're interesting and they kind of explain why these different diets work, but they still don't tell you what to go eat.

So you finish the principles and it's like, okay, so calories do matter.

Tell us about the 800-gram challenge and why is that pillar number one?

You're

probably good.

I mean, you hit 90% consistency on any habit.

I mean, you're going to be incredibly fit or eating healthy food or whatever.

The other thing that I want to kind of touch on when you mentioned like pitfalls or where I see people go wrong and, and not to just totally promote my stuff, but of course I'm biased.

So I have kind of like two steps.

Oh, that's true.

And maybe let's also just let people know, maybe in wrapping up, um, Is there anything, you know, I don't want to give away too much about the book, but is there anything that we really should have touched on from it that we didn't or a closing point or two that would be remiss if we didn't chat about for a sec, either in the book itself, nutrition in general, things that have crossed your path?

Do you touch on the importance of training at all in the book?

That's really principle five.

It's never one thing.

And it's like addressing factors such as exercise or lifestyle or genetics even.

And that's also too, I would guess I would pull an environment there as well.

But understanding all of those factors relative to your goals.

And I give this example of the person who's so obsessed with eating their one gram per pound of protein for their muscle mass gains, but they're not training hard enough in the gym, right? Which is a classic one that I see a lot.

Where would you say people should get started?

Do you touch on the importance of training at all in the book?

That's really principle five.

It's never one thing.

And it's like addressing factors such as exercise or lifestyle or genetics even.

And that's also too, I would guess I would pull an environment there as well.

But understanding all of those factors relative to your goals.

And I give this example of the person who's so obsessed with eating their one gram per pound of protein for their muscle mass gains, but they're not training hard enough in the gym, right? Which is a classic one that I see a lot.

Where would you say people should get started?

Is that nutrient dense? Does our body operate truly off of nutrition? these vitamins and minerals and then maybe a just adjunct question to that is um in addition to vitamins minerals nutrient dense is antioxidants in food is that i'm trying to get like the things that people talk about yeah they do you know that this is what you got to eat this because of x y and z

Yeah, you kind of want to lump antioxidants and anti-inflammatory together.

That's sort of similar functionality.

But to get back to the original question of like, yeah, vitamins and minerals, they are essential for all of the wonderful things that our body does.

I think people think about them as just like very generic, broad categories.

But especially for our audience, I like to hammer like vitamin A is not just good for your eyes, which we all hear about, you know, eat your carrots or whatever.

Vitamin A is essential for your immune function.

How how long would we go to see? Is this the right path?

Love that book.

Yeah.

Yeah.

[chuckles] So good.

Um, but anyway, he really describes dopamine as kind of like the learning neurochemical, which I really liked that in the sense of it, it kind of tells you to keep doing whatever you just did.

And so that dopamine high is this sort of message to yourself to, okay, repeat what you did.

And when we eat calorically dense foods from an evolutionary perspective, you wanna remember that we would want to keep doing that because food was scarce.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm

... knowing it's the right one, which is a little bit disconcerting, but I think there's a little bit of that there.

I will say the other hiccup that I've seen people have is if they try to do what I've described out of the gates, and let's say they're currently doing macros now, and they haven't been able to sustain it, they haven't been able to see results, and they wanna jump to my system, and they just wanna go weigh and measure their diet as now.

I find that they have a very difficult time releasing the idea of what they think their diet should be.

Like, if they've been targeting seventeen hundred calories from, uh, whatever coach or app or tracker, when they go to weigh and measure their diet, they're gonna try to fit themselves into seventeen hundred calories, 'cause it's the system that they've sort of come out of.

So one of the things I like about the Three Pillars method, it's certainly a secondary benefit to my original intent, but I have people go through the Three Pillars method process where we don't actually look at calories and macros to start.

We look at the weights of your fruits and veggies, and then we look at the protein.

Yeah

Like, what are you seeing? What's sort of like a seven year after action report of the 800 gram challenge?

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, a couple of things stick out to me.

One is I, you know, coming out of the CrossFit space, I was stoked on this idea of the measurement.

Oh, cool.

We're going to we're going to figure out a measurement for quality, you know, and we can reproduce it and it gives us a target each day.

So I was very coming at it from like this simplified metric to measure quality in a diet, which it is.

Have you seen that matter? Yeah.