So this is a big moment for you in your life, this detour, where all of a sudden you realize you're stripping your worldview into the world and you have to change your worldview.

There's a big moment that happens a couple years earlier.

And in thinking about this conversation, I remembered this story.

And I want to share it because it goes to the heart of who I am as a social change agent, if you will.

So the Oxford moment is a major moment around how I think about the world intellectually.

It's important to find theories that actually explain the world.

So I don't go straight to Oxford.

you were just saying, okay, great.

What is the faith component that changes things or at least has the potential to change things for entrepreneurs? So

I am... absolutely confident that there's people from a range of kind of spectrums of belief and unbelief who are excellent at what they do and they just have an integrity in the endeavor, right? I think that part of what struck me as I deepened into Islam in graduate school was the sense of you don't lie to yourself.

There's this Islamic concept called taqwa, which means inner torch.

And I think it's kind of roughly translates as conscience.

I tell my kids this, like, you know when you do something wrong.

And I don't mean just the small stuff.

Like, you know when you treat somebody in a way you shouldn't treat somebody.

Mm-hmm.

Why is faith and religious diversity important to our democracy and kind of supporting and defending the democracy?

So I think there's a couple of things.

One is, I think it's really important to remember that religious identity is the dimension of diversity that our European founders came closest to getting right.

It's really important to remember that.

There's a lot of conversation about how the European founders of the 76th generation, the mistakes and omissions and sins when it came to race and gender and sexuality, I think all of that is fair game and it should be talked about.

Absolutely, right? But we shouldn't forget the work of our European founders that we're actually really grateful for.

We should be grateful for George Washington writing a letter to a Jewish community saying that his government will give to bigotry no sanction and to persecution no assistance.

So as you think about your framework for deciding when to stand up, speak out, act, what is that framework for our listeners?

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that to Emma Green and not have it wind up in the New Yorker.

So in any case... you know, just thank you for a jewel of a piece.

And not because it came from my perspective, but because it came from your perspective.

So let me, let me, let me just first begin with that.

Maybe I'll tell my story this way.

So I founded a diversity organization.

An institution like that, that has sort of these fundamentally corporate and or conservative, slow to react kind of institutional qualities to it, nonetheless has become either scared of its students or so bought into a particular viewpoint that it can only follow that line or or it believes that this is the only way that universities can be saleable.