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And so, but it chall- it really challenged, it stretched me because there were, one, there, there were also things that I ended up en- like, I ended up enjoying a lot of it.

Like, I was like, "Oh, this is kinda cool to do children's wear." What I ended up, what surprised me, and I think which is why they make you do it, is you might go in feeling like, "Oh, I wanna do women's wear and this is gonna be the focus," but I s- I had to do menswear for a while, and I was like, "I really love designing menswear." I, like, and it was weird, but I was like, I enjoyed, I enjoyed that it was like there's this structure that exists for men, and, and then ways to still wanna be creative and find, like, and, like, find new ways to be creative for menswear.

Because, like, women, you could have this big, flowery, printed dress.

What advice do you have for us to help us get our stitch together?

I've gotta get a shirt with "Stitcher of many seams." I love that.

[laughs] Um, honest- You know what? The, the advice that I can give is, is literally that.

I think it's like let my life speak for me, you know? Just be open and evolve and, like, and all the while be very intentional about mastering your craft, you know? And so you never know what weird thing that you learned that you're like, "I will never use this again." You do.