Mm, how did you first discover Fourth Try?

Honestly, um, well, I was in my fourth trimester, so that's fun to say.

But I was thinking about what to do.

It's the holidays, unemployed with a new baby, first one's without mom, and I knew I had to do something, and I knew I needed to get back in the workforce, but I was scared because I'm not the same person I was.

I felt like a completely new person, and also, I lost a lot of confidence in being able to be an executive worker, like an executive staff member, while also being a mom to the best of my abilities.

But I decided to get out there, and I was searching through jobs, and I saw Fourth Trimester, but really what caught my eye was the logo.

I saw a mom holding a baby, and I was like, "If anyone understands me, it's going to be this organization." And that was before I even knew what they were talking about or their mission, but I knew that mom and the baby in the logo was calling for me.

And can you tell us about a person or a family who Fourth Trimester helped and how your help changed the postpartum trajectory for them, the experience for them?

And what's happening with your sobriety at the moment?

It's been a bit of a journey recently, I must admit.

So I was sober for getting on for two years and I'd had four months drinking again prior to that.

And I'd also been sober for a year before that.

So I've had two little blips now.

And I kind of hit a wall, I think.

And I've tried different medications and stuff.

was like, the mask is not masking today.