So what did that kind of look like for you when you were kind of early on the scoop for this? Like, how much trial and error did you go through till you f- you kind of figured out something dialed for getting them to eat the Fuzzy Dice?

It's, it is a lot of trial and error.

Um, actually behind me here I have a table where I do all my lure building and making and designing and tweaking, and I just, I spend hours and hours and hours just tweaking stuff to get the action or, you know, just something that I'm shooting for, a- and it j- it all just comes from creativity, um, on the water.

And just whether you're sight fishing them or using LiveScope and studying the, your fish movement and how they react to a bait, you know, I can tweak it to, you know, whether I want to be faster or slower or hover in place more or whatever I'm shooting for, I can come back here and, you know, try to brainstorm ways that I can make that bait do whatever I want it to do.

Um, and then, you know, take it back out there and see how the fish react and it just, it's, it's just like you said, it's trial and error over and over and over.

And then once I, you know, get it dialed in, that's when I can take it into the tournament and, you know, try to, you know, separate myself best I can.

But it's a lot of trial and error and a lot of, you know, creative thinking, thinking outside the box for sure.

So I guess, like, what are you, how are you rigging it more often than not, and then what kind of rod and, uh, reel line are you going with with the Fuzzy Dice?