Now, should we talk about ethics approval? It is such a sticky situation for so many novice researchers getting bogged down in ethics applications and can really hamper the commencement of these research projects or even those audits that we've mentioned earlier.

Yeah, so I think we need to be very clear that ethics approval and ethics is crucial to any research project that you do, and it's not an optional extra.

There's very good reasons that we have ethics approval mechanisms, and we don't have time to go into the history of that, but it's there for a reason.

Equally, ethics applications can be onerous.

The documents seem large.

There can be lots of complex terminology involved in them.

And sometimes it can feel like ethics approval processes and ethics committees are there to frustrate researchers rather than to enable them.

There might be disputes about how to present the results in the conclusion of a paper for example or the order of authorship in a publication sometimes these things are really difficult for our younger colleagues to navigate aren't they?