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... by Louis Theroux, which again, we'll talk about that too.

So, um, am I interested in aspirational masculinity on the left? I very much am, and it's not-- I wouldn't even say that it's necessarily like a political position.

I mean, my values are progressive, and I'm interested in proliferating my values in the world and, and having debates with people about my values and changing my opinions where I feel like I'm wrong and being able to offer good arguments for them.

Um, but the fact that young men feel left behind by, um, progressive groups throughout the world, um, particularly in the United States, it, it makes sense to me, and it's a place that I have a lot of interest, and I'll land on kind of my biggest sort of like position and thesis and- What I'm doing with my book and what I'm just-- where I, where my head's at at the moment.

I'll just, instead of burying the lede, we'll just name it right now, and then if you are listening to this podcast and it sounds uninteresting to you, you probably won't like the rest of it.

But, um, there is a split, as there has always been, between the nice guy and the bad boy, and that was the split when we were in middle school, and it remains.

We can do all this.