What does, what does a deal actually look like in terms of negotiation then?

Yeah, it's a great, [chuckles] it's a great question, and it's a critical point in, in these deals.

Um, when I started my career, you know, I guess almost 20 years ago now, um, small molecules were still the, the thing.

And, um, you know, in terms of synthesis and manufacturing and scale-up, right, they're-- it's fairly straightforward, right? With, with known kind of synthetic methods and processes.

Um, but in CGT products, right, that, that's m- completely different, right? And manufacturing is not merely an operational issue in these deals.

It is central, it is value-driving to the deal.

It is a central business and legal issue, um, and it sits at the heart of every negotiation that we do here.

So, you know, like I said, what are the deal terms that really tend to surprise people?