the kind of just the fawning fan sick of fans, you know, might actually be spiritually neglected.

Well, there, there were several moments that, that led me to that conclusion.

Um, I think Jim Caviezel's wife says it wonderfully.

Um, Hollywood is not Sodom and Gomorrah, it's Nineveh.

And I believe that's very true.

When I go to different churches and share the ministry or I preach, it is very sad to see the lack of compassion from the body of Christ.

Versus when I'm out in California preaching at a church, there was this one really, really sweet Baptist church that I was at in January.

Do I have that right? How do you define success? How do you sort of talk about the fruit of your ministry?

I would like you to explain to our viewers and listeners the Hayden that you knew.

Well, Nancy, thank you so much for having me.

My wife and I, we met Hayden in Monroeville, Pennsylvania back in 2024, and we've been doing this ministry for the past 11 years, taking the gospel to different people in the entertainment industry.

Like the previous clip you just showed, this, this is what we see all of the time in ministry, people searching for something so much more than what this life has to offer, filling their life, filling that God-shaped hole in their heart with the things of this world, and this is the result that sadly happens.

And Hollywood is the known but forgotten.

They, they are ...

We all think about them.

It's a-

Sure.

One of his statements really affected me as an evangelist.

I'm not...

He said, "I'm not necessarily trying to change the mind of the person I'm debating.

I'm trying to change the mind of the person in the crowd who's there on the fence who's just listening." Wow.

And I was like, "That speaks a lot of volume." 'Cause I've seen that in both my celebrity ministry, youth ministry.

Uh, because truly there are some people you are in a debate with and it's like there is no changing your mind.

Okay.