I need to do such and such." How did y'all actually do it?

Yeah.

I think the first piece of the puzzle was acknowledging that there was some issue, uh, in terms of debt.

Because we knew that we had all these bills that we were paying, but the challenge was we didn't know how deep we were in this hole.

So identifying that monster was very important for us, and seeing it on a piece of paper and knowing that we owed all these different people.

And then we were like, "So what's the plan here?" So before we could even start paying off debt, we needed to really take control of the money that was coming in.

So money's coming in, we don't know where it's going, we don't know what we have left, we don't know what we have to spend.

Mm