I always do my research.

I like it.

So, um, around that time in 2002, I guess I was sort of like looking for an idea.

So I had probably what I'd call the bad attitude towards entrepreneurship, and what I mean by that is I wanted to be an entrepreneur because I didn't want a boss, okay? So there'll be a lot of people around now thinking, "Oh my God, I started like that," and it's just the wrong way to start.

So I guess a little bit, a stroke of luck, fortune, whatever you would call it, is, um, in a job that I was doing, in a role that I was doing, I met what then became my co-founders.

So a very long story short is that I had sort of like the business experience, had done some business courses.

Like I said, I was looking for an idea or looking to start an idea, and they were just about to start a business.

Yeah