So what are their feedbacks?

I love this question, Beverly.

And it's so nice to speak with sociology professors because I'm often talking at like indie bookstores or to audiences that are very different or rather that don't have this experience that you're describing.

So to dive in, you know, to really nerd out on that, I... like a lot of PhD students, was searching for a topic, was really searching for people, for my people.

Who am I going to work with? And it's quite often that students try to attach themselves to professors who have a similar area of study, of expertise, whether it's a method or if it's a body of literature.

And I found myself gravitating toward a couple of people, one of whom I spent almost two years with, working on these pretty out there topics in the history of ideas.

He was a kind of historical sociologist who was a big thinker.

So what was your experience around that?