couple of

smaller gigs with a couple of smaller publishing houses.

And my thinking was that I could – it was going to be my side gig.

I would do that in the evenings while I had my jobs during the day, and I could draw at night.

But it slowly took over, and my very first – penciling job was a wolverine i mean on a big from a big publisher was wolverine for marvel i had submitted uh some stuff over there and then all of a sudden my comic book career took off um very weird route because uh before that i had worked on some pretty big movies i did some uh if you ever saw stallone's cliffhanger i did some of the storyboards on that i did some storyboards on some other big movies that i worked on a whole bunch of music videos i did i worked on all the nwa music videos straight out of compton's and all of those and a whole bunch of other ones uh They all sound really cool, but a lot of that stuff was shot in the middle of the night with no licenses, and you were just jumping out of a van taking pictures and stuff.

But it was a great learning ground, both for story, seeing how things were visually put together, and also just kind of drenched in pop art, I suppose that would be the best term for it.

It's a bit of a catch-all phrase.

But what, what, Obviously, like Ben 10 has been successful, but why give that behind the scenes or under the curtain sort of look?

And real quick, uh, Duncan, was there anything you wanted to plug?

Well, I can't talk too much about it.

I, but it had been announced.

But, uh, we are also working on another Ben 10 project.

It's in the a- ancillary kind of ideas.

It's a, a, a TTRPG.

And so I've been, uh, spearing that.

Uh, but while we're waiting, uh, what are you guys drinking? What's going on this evening?