And so really is, is what you're talking about here more of a, a like bottom up approach that we're, that you're working through this kind of example that you're going through, or is this a different, different thing that you've been talking about?

No, that's so awesome.

Cause we talk about a bottom up approach all the time.

Um, It is a bottom-up approach.

And first, I guess maybe your listeners are familiar with this, but the top-down approach is the cognitive sort of intellectual, here's what I should do.

But the body sort of says, oh, yeah, that's great, but we can't.

Or maybe it works for a little while.

What's a simple way that we can address that or access that like presence in the middle of the hard moment with our kids?