So give us a size of the s- s- give us an idea of the scale of that sort of charity, like, and their pain point.

Tier 4 charities are under $140,000 per year in expenditure.

Uh, and there's tens of thousands of those in Aotearoa.

Uh, just about 15,000, uh, on the charities register alone.

Uh, but then you're in- consider incorporated societies and other types of entities.

There's quite a few of these small...

I call them small in money, small in pūtea, not necessarily small in impact.

And you'd ripped, you'd ripped up what had been done before, and you rebuilt their financial model and reporting?