So here's what he had to say.

I would say Weezer Pinkerton or Edie Brickell has Ghost of a Dog.

I would say the Weezer Pinkerton record to me is like so perfect.

It's just got so much charm, man.

And it feels like Rivers... was going through some stuff and there's just a lot of heartache and emotion in that.

At least that's what I feel from it.

And yeah, it's just, I feel it's so perfect in this little, I feel like it's a snapshot or a little window into like Rivers's heart in that few months that was going on at that time for him or something, you know, there's tons of artists that can pull it off, but, I don't know that I love I love everything about every flat note, every sharp note, every perfect note of Pinkerton is is like so good.

all time

Um, in March, right? So what made it feel like that song was the right track to introduce this current chapter of Alien Ant Farm?

You know, I don't know that it was the right song to drop to introduce us, but it was kind of like something that we did and tried out, throwing out.

Like we're just trying to keep our content going.

I feel like there's...

We've been around for a long time, so you know, if I had my druthers maybe we would've like rewound and do- did- done something else.

But I think in this day and age it's kind of like, what do you have next? What do you have next? Kind of thing.

And while we're writing a record right now with uh, Howard Benson, kind of like throwing things at the wall, you know, and, and it's not necessarily the worst thing in the world that we put out a song that maybe I wouldn't have wanted to put out first, you know?

Yeah

If you don't mind me asking, since you brought it up, what was the impetus, the final impetus that made you go sober?

Oh, my gosh.

You know, there was no, like, bottom, I guess, you know? Just tired of being tired, you know? And waking up, who did I text last night and say something crappy to? Or what kind of, like, round of apologies am I going to have to make this morning for my behavior in the restaurant? Or, you know what I mean? Totally.

There was a lot of those, dude.

Yeah.

I would literally like look at my phone and I would like delete conversations before I read them, like in some weird way in my mind, like they didn't happen if I didn't see them.

So there was, you know, just a little bit of that.

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