But In a large effect, many of these repressions have had the effect that those ruling have wanted them to have.

Yeah, and I think, you know, maybe just because Helena touched on sort of liberal co-option, and I think that's, I mean, maybe just a bit for context, you know, I...

I was organized in Berlin about 10 years ago, but then since I've moved for my job to England and I'm sort of back and forth and it was a bit more difficult, in that sense, to be organized in groups in Berlin.

And if to be very honest, it's also, you know, I have so much respect for anti-imperialists who are still organized in Berlin, because this is also very, very difficult, you know, to talk about imperialism in the Palestine solidarity and in those circles, you know, and dare to talk about issues like, you know, imperialist aggression against Iran, like the war in Ukraine.

It's very difficult.

And if I'm very, very honest, that was for me a reason why it has been increasingly difficult for me to to really do the work that is needed for organizing in berlin which is like to sit and you know and have hours of discussions and meetings with people who you know who would tell you that we need to you know we have to put an end to the mullah regime or we need to uh whatever um you know putin putin did 7th of october or whatever but um But I think that one thing that maybe because of that, I also have a little bit of a one-step removed view of everything that's happening in Berlin.

And I have to say that for me, one thing that in the last three years since the start of the current genocide, something at the time was really also baffling is to see how, in a way, the Palestine issue became... something wider in a sense with, you know, along with all of the problems and challenges and contradictions that this poses.

And Helena, maybe you can, you think going forward, what do you think in this era of fascist repression, Palestine organizing in a place like Germany can do? So maybe Dorar, you can start and we can end with Helena.