[laughs] Um, can you explain a little bit how the foundation, uh, the, the, the true goal as you see the foundation and how it's set up? Is it, you know, uh, more of a Kunsthalle kind of, you know, space for exhibitions, or do you intend to also be a collecting institution?

We have absolutely done not the wish to collect.

Uh, I think we want really to connect people.

We want to create kind of a platform where we're gonna do a lot of different things.

And now again, the exhibition what we do now, everything happened quite fast because, uh, we bought the palazzo July last year, end of July.

So we started to work on the exhibition in, uh, September.

And, uh, so everything goes really fast, but for us it was good because before we do really kind of all the renovations, it's feels a little bit first like a general rehearsal.

And is there a kind of a didactic idea b- between each room and a concept for a room, or is it really... or is everything more equal in that regard?

And so I wanted to ask, through this exhibition, are you thinking about not just the hand of the maker, but the feeling of the maker? I mean, obviously you're having your emotional response to it, but maybe the, the maker's emotion as extended into it as well.

Mm-hmm.

No, of course, I think when you're interested in craftsmanship and when you don't really want just to make kind of machine-made pieces, automatically you feel the hand of the maker.

I think that's the beauty of it.

The hand of the maker also sees that every piece is kind of, in its way, nearly unique because there's always some irregularities.

There's always something that you see that...

Yeah, I talked already about coincidence, which for me is such an important factor in creativity.

Like, what through line do you see between how you're spending your time now and how you were spending it a few years ago?

Um, but you, you're definitely talking about beauty as engagement rather than escape with this exhibition, it seems to me.

For me, it can't be only escape, and I think beauty can be so much more than, than just, uh, pretty.

For me, the, the beauty... a person can be beautiful, and it's much more layered, again, than just like a beautiful person, a good-looking person.

No, for me, beautiful people are really people who mean something, who do something, who have a way that they think, that they, they live in the world, the way that they stand in the world.

Beauty, b- for me, also can be healing, and beauty is something super personal because what's beautiful for me is maybe not beautiful for you.

There are so many different notions about what beauty can be and how beauty can help you as a person to live in a be- a better life.

Those are the things which I want really to work on and to investigate.

What kind of support system do you have to, to work on this, to make all of this happen?