And essentially what Pauly was getting at was how much of what you were doing was intentional and at what point did it turn from like potentially not blind luck, but like When did it turn to complete and total strategy versus you're just kind of in there navigating a game that you don't know a ton about? Does that make sense?

Yeah, well, I'm a huge Big Brother fan, so I knew a lot about it.

Okay.

I've seen every single season.

Nice.

I knew all the strategy going into it.

I think I was the super fan of the season.

was the attraction to Dean Devins outside of replicated gameplay from a strategic level that you thought would be beneficial to you? There must have been something else that could carry that all the way through because from a viewer's standpoint, and this ended up coming back and not working, but did you believe they just wouldn't

For sure

sureBut I don't know why, looking at everybody, I was like, "I don't know if these people have seen the show." [laughs] Like, I could just tell, like, uh, maybe there's a little bit more of like, you know, more recruits than there are fans.

Um, Barrett was somebody that I saw, talked to immediately, and I was like he...

L- I learned later that he had a podcast about Big Brother as well, but I was like, "Hey, like he seems like a fan." My plan was to go and work with the vets, and also work with the person who knew the show the best, and I felt like Barrett was that guy in the house.

Besides me, I felt like me and him had a great understanding of the show.

And Mallory's another person that I saw that was like, uh, like a fan of the show.

I feel like, I feel like fans, you know, you could- we could go back and forth and say like they're the better players or they're the worst players, because we have examples of both.

Yes.

What are your initial impressions?

So initial impression.

So I'm, I come in way too hot, obviously.

I'm so excited.

I'm looking around hoping to see like another younger person.

And I was like, okay, great.

I am the youngest, youngest person in this house.

So, but like, this is like week three, your relationship with Kanmu is what like saves your life, right? What made you want to go after Kanmu as like one of these allies? Was it the fact that you knew Red Corner existed or was there something else?

Yeah.

And I was like, I wanna hang out with Devans, 'cause I love him so much, but also, I was like, Dee's so good at endurance, I felt like I could totally see her, like, she's very, like, physically fit.

I could be like, oh, she would, like, crush the first part of that endurance comp, and she wasn't willing to drop.

I probably could've won it anyways.

Um, but yeah.

I can go back and forth about it all day and be like, what should I have done? But, like, I'm just gonna stand by my decision and be like, yeah, like, I got rid of Dee, who, like, never would've taken me, and I kept Devans, who probably, it was like 90% chance he would take me, and then, like, 10% chance he was like, "Wait, never mind," even though he would've won against me.

[laughs]

Yeah, I have one [laughs] All right, well, anything else you wanted to bring up or talk about? I think...

Yeah

And I was like, I wanna hang out with Devin's 'cause I love him so much.

But also I was like, Dee's so good at endurance, I felt like I could totally see her, like she's very like physically fit.

I could be like, "Oh, she would like crush the first part of that endurance comp," and she wasn't willing to drop.

I probably could've won it anyways.

Um, but yeah.

I can go back and forth about it all day and be like, "What should I have done?" But like I'm just gonna stand by my decision and be like, yeah, like I got rid of Dee, who like never would've taken me, and I kept Devin's, who probably it was like 90% chance he would take me and then like 10% chance he was like, "Wait, nevermind," even though he would've won against me.

Mm-hmm.

You, did you wanna be a dentist?

Yeah.

I mean, I'd, like, two or three weeks before I went to the house, I had graduated college.

So I was the youngest kid going in there.

I just graduated college.

I was, like, stoked.

I was like, I called my...

Yeah.

Yeah.

So coming to the house, I was just trying to observe, like, all right, where do I fit into this, like, whole grand puzzle piece? And it was I'm the youngest person- I have to attach myself to a group and just be completely loyal, at least think they, or think that I'm loyal and just be like, "Guys, I need you.

I don't know I have anybody else." So a lot of it was, you know, coming in there strategically of like with the plan of like I just trusted myself to be able to observe of what's going on, and then the other part is just like you don't know how you're gonna act on a show until you're on a show.

... yeah, that's some shit.

It was, it was, uh, for me, it, it was about like, yeah, I'll save Dee, but it also was like, Yosh is like...

Yosh is, Yosh could win out.

Like, he could win everything.

Like, he's the type of dudes that's like really smart, believes in himself, super athletic.

Would you take a mulligan on that? Would you do it the same way again?

I think I would, um, only for the fact that for most of the week, both of the finalists were gonna take me.

Um, Taylor made a great move at the end, and it earned her second place, so stellar move on Taylor's part.

Um, I could see a world where I kept Dee, and I probably would've won at least one of those parts.

I think part two, um, because I don't know how well Dee knew the game, and I think I've been able to, to clutch that one.

But I think I would've been the person to get rid of for both Dee and Taylor, because I think their odds next to each other would be better against me, especially having the Devens kill on my resume.

Um-

Would you have flipped with Barrett if he had approached you?

Would you take a mulligan on that? Would you do it the same way again?

I think I would.

Um, only for the fact that for most of the week, both of the finalists were gonna take me.

Um, Taylor made a great move at the end, and it earned her second place, so stellar move on Taylor's part.

Um, I could see a world where I kept Dee, and I probably would've won at least one of those parts.

I think part two, um, because I don't know how well Dee knew the game, and I think I've been able to, to clutch that one.

But I think I would've been the person to get rid of for both Dee and Taylor, because I think their odds next to each other would be better against me, especially having the Devens kill on my resume.

Would you have flipped with Barrett if he had approached you?

Um, well, I guess what votes do you think you would have gotten if you were against Devin's?

I'd like to believe I'd have Melody's, but you know me and her, we'd love to argue.

So I could see her, like, out of spite, voting for Devin's.

Because that's what she does.

And then I would like to think I had Barrett.

And if Devin's cut Taylor, maybe I would have had her vote, and it would come down to Yash and Lala.

And I think Lala doesn't like Devin's that much, based on how she voted tonight.

Do you have any regrets cutting D instead of Devins?