So where are you getting these inspirations from? And also, what ideologies specifically are you drawn to? Because you mentioned the idea of playing these ideologies into the ground, but how so? And how are you making it fresh in your work?

I don't know.

I think painting in general is just kind of always in this state of dead and alive painting itself, I think is driven to the ground every, every century.

And people are always overplaying painting or, or in the way that it's just so romantic, you know, like to be a painter, capital P is so romantic.

And that whole idea itself is, is played pretty deeply into the ground.

But the, That's my own thing I'm grappling with right now that I'm overcoming.

But the rural landscapes, I think it derived from just when I first moved to New York, just like a need for like silence.

Tell me about your interest in this sort of more mechanical behind the scenes shape.