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Drew Ayers

Professor of Film and Director of the Film Program at Eastern Washington University, author of Spectacular Posthumanism (2019) and Action Bodies (UT Press, 2026).

Oct 18, 2026

9:57
What's your perspective on that in particular?
10:00
Yeah, that's a great question.
10:02
I think it is useful to kind of look historically for that.
10:05
So when you really like in the 90s, there's this era where the CGI is relatively new, and it's very noticeable.
10:13
I remember, I think it was in high school when it came out, the Spawn movie.
10:17
I remember reading all these articles about, oh, the cape is using all this CGI.
10:22
And so that's where an early fascination for me started.

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38:32
But how are these different kinds of characters, you know, hybridized using all these different forms of technology and... what are maybe some of the differences between like the alien or sorry, the animal characters versus some of these, you know, robots, aliens kind of quasi human humanoid figures.
35:24
But how are these different kinds of characters, you know, hybridized using all these different forms of technology? And why? what are maybe some of the differences between like the alien or sorry, the animal characters versus some of these, you know, robots, aliens kind of quasi human humanoid figures.
35:45
Yeah.
35:45
So the, the animal chapter came out of John wick, you know, he's got the dog.
35:49
And so I was, especially in the third one where Halle Berry as her two kind of attack dogs, it's a great action sequence.
35:58
And for me, it was that kind of like collaboration between animals and people and, And that kind of triggers what about animal action stars? Can we can that exist? And then for me, there was a it was a fundamentally different question, because I think as viewers, we assume the animals aren't real, or at least I mean, they're highly trained.
36:15
They're not they're not or they're just completely CGI.
36:17
there's a different expectation of authenticity and realism than with the human action stars.
41:17
Just, you know, what's your sort of perspective and what did you, how did your thinking evolve related to AI in these action films?
8:02
What's your perspective on that in particular?
8:05
Yeah, that's a great question.
8:06
I think it is useful to kind of look historically for that.
8:09
So we really like in the 90s, there's this era where the CGI is relatively new, and it's very noticeable.
8:18
I remember, I think it was in high school when it came out, the Spawn movie.
8:21
I remember reading all these articles about, oh, the cape is using all this CGI.
8:26
And so that's where an early fascination for me started.

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34:07
But how are these different kinds of characters, you know, hybridized using all these different forms of technology and... what are maybe some of the differences between like the alien or sorry, the animal characters versus some of these, you know, robots, aliens kind of quasi human humanoid figures.
22:00
about how top gun maverick was promoted and you mentioned a little bit ago but can you walk us through you know how that film was promoted and why that is such a reflective example of the different ways that studios are either highlighting or minimizing in slightly different ways their use of vfx strategies
22:22
Yeah, so I think part of it is kind of what we talked about earlier.
22:25
There's this perception that audiences no longer want things that look fake, for lack of a better word.
22:31
They want real things.
22:35
But I would argue it's not necessarily they want it to look real.
22:37
It doesn't have to be real.
22:39
And in the second, I have no evidence for this is just rude opinion.

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47:52
Just, you know, what's your sort of perspective and what did you, how did your thinking evolve related to AI in these action films?

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