of different levels.

is not knowing ourselves.

And as I've studied different philosophies and all, and by no means an expert, I'm a, I'm a dilettante with that, but I have really begun to understand that a lot of challenges do come about when you're trying to fulfill a role that you were not necessarily suited for, or that is not the true you.

And I think a lot of times sometimes is wasted and energy is wasted trying to conform to a set of rules and norms and other components of things that we deal with.

And the one caveat I would say with that is certain rules and norms are laws.

There are certain things that obviously are non-negotiable.

But I think, as I said, when I talked about being tribal, There's a lot of that that isn't in the law and order category where it's really about trying to be accepted.

And

Now, in a culture that often prioritizes aesthetics and novelty, what does truly human-centered design look like to

you? I'm very limited to my own world.

But it's really efficiency.

It's understanding how we work either cognitively or physically and optimizing that.

I wrote an article in the past that said, or the title was, if it were the subtitle, if you were designing a knife for a blade that a machine would cut with, it would not look like the knife that we use because that's just not how our bodies work.

So that's where I really tend to think of it in terms of how does our body work and then how do you align that with the task? In our case, it was approaching it very circular and in a manner where you could more easily or a user can more easily align their upper arm, their wrist, their forearm with the blade to transfer force the most efficient, pardon me, efficiently that they can.

And I think that that's everything.

Now, how do you hope society's understanding of accessibility is going to evolve over the next decade?

I have one right here.

So this is a knife I made and it's linear, right? Like it is handle, transition, which is either a handguard or a bolster, blade and tip.

Now this, if you think of any major culture, this is what a knife looks like in people's minds because this goes back thousands and thousands of years.

It's what allows you, if we didn't have this, you and I wouldn't be talking with technology right now because we never would have emerged from an evolutionary perspective.

But the problem is what makes this a great multitasker is that you can use the tip to hunt, defend yourself or do whatever, and the blade to cut.

And it does both pretty well.

The only time it's aligned with your body is to stab.

So how do you design something that will restore functions without labeling the users?

still being, you know, 30

plus years younger.

So that made me think, okay, the disabled space is comprised of the people who self-identify as disabled, meaning they may have a condition or something that's more part of their identity than somebody who's, let's say, just aging, which was more the case of my father.

then you look and you say, okay, disability is a different ball game that people are playing right now.

It's not necessarily binary.

It's not you're disabled or you're not disabled.

It's not an identity thing.

Okay, so can you like share some light on Nulu? Something about it, just show it to us today.

positivity.

And I don't want to sound Pollyanna-ish on that and that, you know, that, oh, you know, one little thing changes the world, but it really does.

My product, as an example, we make this ergonomic knife and it's for many disabled people use it.

And someone said to us one day, thanks for inventing this.

And it's not a huge thing that we've created, but the impact of it.

is exceptionally large as we've seen.

And I feel more and more people need to understand that their small actions then become the stimulus that other people respond to.

And

So what kind of household values or early influences shape the way you think about service, discipline and responsibility?

I would say the army was the big part of it.

I, you know, I had a great upbringing, you know, middle-class taught you right from wrong and all that, but there's a magic that happens in the military, especially so at a service Academy that I kind of call it that control alt delete, right? It, it changes the BIOS behind the operating system and builds the a couple of things that have been essential to entrepreneurialism.

You know, problem solving and that never say die for attitude.

When you say that I'm a person who doesn't take no, a lot of that comes from mission-driven thinking that the military gives you.

Right, right.

And I would say, you know, looking back and, you know, not minimizing anything that family engagement and all had an influence or the degree that it had an influence, there's just something very... visceral about what happens to you at that institution.

But now with AI coming into play with different inventions, do you think that there will be an over-reliance on AI when there are certain things that they could have still done themselves? Is what I'm getting at.