There are barriers

in their way, primarily because of the cost.

It's unlike a four-year education.

There's no federal loan program where you can go get the costs of your pilot train funded.

And and it's really it's pretty expensive.

I mean, it's one hundred thousand dollars about just to get through your training and you got to go build hours just to get your certificates.

And the training can run up to one hundred thousand dollars.

Is diversity an issue as well that you're

I was really eager to catch up with you, Doug, because there aren't too many Scunthorpe fans around who will remember with great fond memory what Kevin Keegan was like as a player playing for the Iron.

Iron.Yeah, there'll not be many of us about now, you're right.

Um, well, Kevin started in 1968, and he played three full seasons, just about, two and three quarters, and he was so fit that he, he only, I think he only missed about three or four games in three s- seasons.

And I, I believe, I've been told that he used to run up the, uh, steps at the old showground to get fit and, you know, he, he was so enthusiastic.

That was the main part of his game.

He, he, he was, he was really quick, and he was really good in the air for a, a little champ, 5'7", whatever he was, and, but, uh, I don't think any optimistic Scunthorpe fan would say that he would go on to do what he did, if you know what I mean.

He, he wasn't totally outstanding.

Is, is that how you met your wife?

Doug says that the problem of biofuel fraud began after George W. Bush signed two different acts passed by Congress, one in 2005 and another in 2007, which introduced a whole host of tax subsidies for companies producing renewable fuels.

So the purpose was to encourage production of renewable fuel.

They thought, it's gonna be better for the environment and make us less dependent on Middle Eastern oil.

We were involved in and dealing with the Iraq war, and there was a movement to lessen our demand on foreign oil because they felt like it, it made us more vulnerable.

The first one works like this: the government gave big refineries a yearly target of how much renewable fuel they had to produce.

But the refiners didn't necessarily want to have to retrofit all their equipment to all of a sudden produce renewable fuels, and so they developed a tradable credit system.

So company A would refine and produce biodiesel, and then an ExxonMobil would essentially buy the credit.