Hmm

... uh, quotes from people who had experienced depression that made sense, you know, that, that I, I thought might help my daughter.

And one of those quotes, the first I came across that I wrote down, was by a writer named Rollo May.

I don't know if you know that name.

He was one of the very first self-help writers in the 1950s, before they even used the term self-help.

And his quote, uh, he was a depression survivor himself.

His quote was, "Depression is the inability to construct a future." And, and that really grabbed me.

I thought that was very clever for you to say that because it is gears.

You bet.

So thanks, Josh.

So a fairly long career as a corporate executive in banking and private equity.

I had morphed into becoming a researcher hired by National Scope Law Firms to help them research complex high-stakes business disputes.

So I had regular dinners, father-daughter dinners with my daughter every two weeks, and I would bring a list of questions for her to answer on any topic, and if she got the answer right, I would slide her a $2 bill across the table.

That was a wonderful father-daughter exchange, but one night she came to the dinner, and she said, Dad, it's my turn to ask questions.

What is depression? Well, I faked it and I presumed, you know, I sort of faked it and assumed that was an economic question.

How do we navigate that world when there are a lot of outlets out there?

Tell us a little bit about yourself and also the story for writing the book.

You bet.

Well, my background, thank you for that.

My background involves many years as a corporate executive with some fairly decent sized companies.

I'm sort of morphed into that.

10 years ago, I was moving into being hired by major national and international law firms to help them research complex business lawsuits.

So I'm comfortable being thrown in the middle of a complex scene and trying to figure out which end is up.

and how in you know the the act of actual journaling how can how can we find that within ourself i mean even when you're talking right now i can tell you right now there's three things that you've already said that are self-quotable how do we recognize that ability in ourself