You were thinking about thought leadership and continuing the work.

My career has been to be a student of leadership.

And, you know, to be honest, I'm still an apprentice at it.

I work at it hard and I'm better than I used to be, but I'm not as good as I will be.

And so I found myself studying leaders well before my retirement.

But it was interesting.

I was retiring.

called and chosen, right? In the sense that they answer a call they feel inside, wherever it comes from or however.

critical from your perspective?

Gosh, I literally, I've been doing it 50 years every day, every week.

So there's a lot, and I'm a real student of it.

And both from an academic point of view, I was chair of the Kellogg Executive Leadership Institute at Northwestern for five years.

And from all the reading and teaching I've done, And I'm a practitioner.

The thing that when I look back on it, there are a couple of things that stand out.

First is that it's a people first world.

And of course, what are great relationships built upon trust? And so, you know, talk about the role of relationships and how you approach that work with your senior teams, et cetera.

Anything you'd, you'd point to?

Well, I, I, I doubled down on getting people engaged in the work.

Look, we have to do tough stuff.

We had to let go of three hundred people.

We had to make tough decisions.

All right? That comes with the territory.

I have found that most organizations, especially large ones, and I dealt with ones at scale, are great critical thinking machines.

But I wanna jump on the, the piece you've now mentioned a couple times, which is, uh, introversion, and what that's meant to you and what your journey to maybe claim that fully for yourself has been like and what, what it's, what it's unlocked.