I know that last time we talked about, uh, your, your book about Goose and, uh, had a chance to talk about that, but I'm always interested to hear the story about how you connected this and started the, the process, uh, in, in writing a book like this.

Well, and, and Dan and I have known each other since 2012.

Um, I drove up to Los Angeles to interview him for my first book, Wildcat Memories.

And, um, it was a significant interview because I, I left that, left his offices that day just kind of amazed at how much he was impacted by the University of Kentucky.

Very passionate about his time there and, um, just so much so that, um, it really propelled me for that project and he, and he kindly wrote the forward for that.

So Dan and I stayed in touch after that book was out and, um, um, I tip the hat to g- Goose Givens.

My experience with him was so positive.

So how do you find, uh, uh, an individual's voice as you're, as you're writing for them?