Now, when you're building technology for lawyers in particular, how do you translate a complicated legal problem into a product that actually fits into someone's actual workflow? So maybe would it be

helpful for me to just like take a step back and share a little bit about how I got here and what our journey was? So I'm a former litigator.

I practiced for almost a decade at Sidley Austin.

And I got into the legal technology space because of a problem that I wanted to solve in my own legal practice.

And it happened to not be in my main practice, but in my pro bono practice.

So I wanted to... represented a lot of domestic violence survivors pro bono in my in my practice and i wanted to build technology around that so that i could spend my time on the most legal intensive fact-intensive parts of the case like taking on appeals or doing legal research that that you couldn't do with a computer or taking them into the courtroom so i built an application for domestic violence law and that that eventually came to be the idea for gavel which is legal drafting product and and now both rules-based and AI legal drafting product that Relativity just acquired in June.

So that's been our journey here, but our product has always, to really go back to your question, our product has always been a product-led growth company.

How do those requirements affect the way that your team would design an AI-powered product?

No, please go ahead, Garner.

I was going to say a topic that probably a lot of you are eager to talk about, which is just law schools banning AI.

It's definitely something that, and the reason I would say only anxiety, but the reason it brings me excitement is that we are now finally having some of these conversations in a real way, and we can decide how do we think as a whole, as a legal profession, that we can best train the junior lawyers while maintaining some system of thought where we're not just blindly handing things over to systems to take over.

But I'm sure we'll chat more about that as well.

But before we do that, other people with AI aha moments, what have they done over the last week, quarter, month that has been interesting or

surprising? Oh, go ahead.

No, you start, Donna.

I was just going to say, I have set up a few different like Claude brains, both for one for an employee who is on leave.

So maybe you can tell us about that and how you came up with that idea.

Definitely.

So similar to Nicole and Jackie, I came across this within my own practice.

So I was a litigator.

I did mostly employment litigation and trade secret litigation for about seven years.

I was at Sidley Austin and I was also doing some work pro bono.

And the pro bono work that I did mostly was with domestic violence survivors.

So how do you think or think that your particular skills as a lawyer kind of translated?