And I suppose, how did you get into trading sheep dogs to herd geese?

Just part of everyday work because we have geese at home and we'd be doing work with them, so it'd be just part of everyday work.

And then people ask me to bring them to shows and that's what I do then.

If they want me to go, I'll go.

What kind of reaction do you get from the crowds once you bring them over?

Sure, people that don't actually see dogs working and don't maybe see geese or see anything.

It's nice for them to see that dogs can actually control the geese and the dogs do what I tell them.

We all have a bit of a mutual understanding.

Talk more about Him revealing His divinity.

Well, we, uh, as Latter-day Saints, we know that the Godhead is made up of separate beings, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and that's great knowledge to have.

And since the First Vision, that's been absolutely clear to us.

But what we sometimes mistakenly do is separate themselves so much that we compartmentalize them in ways that might even un-deify Jesus accidentally.

For instance, the phrase "Jesus is God" may make some people feel uncomfortable, 'cause some attach the word God only to the Father and leave behind the Holy Ghost and maybe even Jesus with that.

But Jesus is Jehovah.

He is our creator.

And so getting ready to, to study this in home and at church, what are some tips and tools you might have for members, for students, for teachers, for parents, for individuals?