And of course, with Red Stiletto, I'm just so curious about how you came up with that name for your public speaking

business.

Well, actually, there's a tagline that I like to use with it as well.

Get to the point.

Red Stiletto, get to the point.

And that's how it just came to me in a conversation with a friend when I was looking at now what not wanting to do what I had been doing.

And I knew I wanted to help people with speaking.

So what was your interruption that kind of set you off in a new direction?

Mm-hmm.

You know? I mean, some people can.

Some people are good.

The, I think they're the exception, the unicorns.

They can just get out there and just do their thing, but most people don't operate that way.

And I was, uh, not prepared, and I, I didn't know what I didn't know.

I didn't know I wasn't prepared, and people who'd, who did those sort of trainings were the ones that were the unicorns.

Yep.