Sons, so there's-

Drawing it out, Don and Sons Construction was a small carpentry, uh, business, and we started with changing out toilets, uh, cabinetry, uh, doors, very small.

Little did I know my dad knew very little in the very beginning.

At the same time, by the time I was 18, we had built homes, we had built, um, uh, businesses, restaurants, banks.

So we learned throughout my early years a lot, or I learned a lot throughout my early years as far as how to put together a business, how to speak to people, um, how to, you know, customer client service.

So that was the start of where I am today.

Uh, at the age of 18, I moved away, not far, but I, I moved away, and then I went into ...

Mm-hmm.