No skyscrapers?

Blocking out the sun, right? Mm-hmm.

But, yeah, I mean, I suppose if you've only had a one-story house next door and now you have a two-story, that makes it slightly worse if you're next door.

People were concerned about, you know, general amenity, visual, these things being ugly.

And what we try to do is we try and look at how we can...

How many of these were real and how many of these were actually turning out in reality, right? So what we generally find is that not much actually got worse.

If anything, Campbelltown probably became a better place to live rather than a worse place.

Well, I really would love to see sort of what would you recommend? So it sounds like you're really suggesting of these more regional beneficial approaches should start at the state level, right? to eliminate that immediate one percent of local population causing kind of original regional negative impact right uh but overall are the you know is this the right thing to do to get starter homes these lot splits and towns yeah i

That is the thing that makes the most sense, but we want key workers, quote unquote, to be able to live in Bondi, to be able to do jobs in Bondi." Can you step us through kind of the response to that critique that, that this is something that we need now to hold us over?

Think it's...

So again, I think it's worth thinking about what the alternative is here and I think this is how we ended up in this situation of affordable housing, is people not necessarily thinking through counterfactuals and what the opportunity cost of what we're doing actually is.

And so I agree, nurses should be able to afford to live in the eastern suburbs.

Teachers should be able to afford to live in, in the expensive and sort of expensive currently, but desirable parts of our cities.

But it's important to think about the best way to do that.

So first of all, we're, we're never gonna be able to build enough, quote unquote, key worker housing for absolutely everyone who is a key worker to live in.

Is the evidence base for this particularly strong? Like, where does this break down or is this compelling to you?