Um, maybe s- societies have a magic formula, and the politicians indeed behave immaturely because societies are much more mature in the face of these threats.

[laughs] Well, uh, in, in our case, I think it's rather, uh, wishful thinking, although, uh, I tend to agree with you, uh, about the, uh, kind of real preparedness of, uh, communities in my country.

Nevertheless, it depends, uh, on the regions.

Well, uh, I joined the podcast now from, uh, Narva, basically, uh, on the, uh, on the Russian border.

And people here, uh, in this region, uh, I would say are the most affected by the, uh, drone threats, uh, but not only.

Uh, there are also other, uh, let's say, disinformation campaigns and, uh, psychological intimidation tactics, uh, employed by Russia, uh, against particularly this region.

But, uh, people are, are not panicking.

So, so where are the gaps and, and what is being done, uh, to, to stop them?