Yeah.

But he just, he said this, "I'm just a link in the chain, that I look at all those who've come before me and all those who are taking ideas from our music and taking them forward in innovative ways, and I feel like a link in the chain." And the reason I'm saying that is that river flowing analogy or metaphor came from, um- Barbara Marciniak, who wrote Where Two Worlds Touch.

Um, and she was a North Carolina author and a mystic, and she...

In that book, she put a river, um, journey, and it takes you through seven levels of consciousness, and I have used that in retreats in other places.

I've used it in taking people through the experience of starting in a small stream, um, the top of a mountain, and moving through white water rapids as the river increases in volume, moving through cities or behind cities where you pick up sludge, you know? And it's like moving through all those stages, but the cul-de-sac and the rapids are the things that people reme- uh, remember most about that experience, which takes about 16, 17 minutes to go through.

But always you're going home.

Always the ocean is there going, "Welcome home.

Yeah

But before we jump right into that, DJ, if you would, tell our audience a little bit about yourself and about your background.

Thank you.

Um, so Skip and Brad, a- and, and to your audience members, I come from a broadcast background and landed in coaching because I hired a coach back in the day and, um, tried to figure out what was next for me.

And I went to a coaching class as sort of a, a place to explore, and I said, "This is what I'm gonna do." And she said, "DJ, this is what you were born to do." And so that was 33 years ago.

[laughs] And so I have been a part of creating what we know now as the International Coach Federation.

I was a founding member of that organization, and I have been at this for, uh, now 33 years with my husband.

And, uh, we don't recommend both of you quit your job at the same time and start a company, but we did that.

Will you expand on the importance of connection, meaning, and purpose in how you proceed with coaching engagements?