Well, that brings us to Australia, and maybe that's a nice opportunity to turn to Dino and ask you about your relationship with Saskia.

Yeah, well, interestingly enough, my relationship with Saskia actually started at Strathclyde University in Glasgow.

We worked together there and she was responsible for the kind of global mobility and engagement of the whole university.

I was simply managing the business school.

But we started working there together and I was struck immediately by how genuine and authentic she was.

And I... gravitate towards people who are genuine and authentic.

So we were great friends in Glasgow.

avoiding the difficult conversations.