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Diane Abbott

Diane Abbott

Member of Parliament of the United Kingdom

Aug 19, 2026

Lady PhyllGUEST
63:46
a week ago
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that the vicious campaign against him was beginning to get to him.
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Can you hear me at the back? Because we have to remember that the campaign against him wasn't just a matter of a few weeks.
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He was first appointed as a professor in Cambridge three years ago.
64:36
And for those three years, he has had a vicious campaign, a bitter campaign by anonymous people, by other professors who just didn't believe that a black man should be a Cambridge professor.
65:00
Amongst those, one of the leading people campaigning against him was a professor called Nathan Kafnos.
65:16
He calls himself a race realist.
65:41
claimed
28:31
A simple question in some ways, but, um, what did you make of his reply, Diane?
28:35
I wasn't impressed by his reply.
28:38
I thought he kind of got away with his statement, but it all fell apart when he had to answer questions.
28:44
And what struck me, 'cause I sit on the front there quite close to him, was his, his hands were shaking.
28:49
He seemed quite nervous.
28:51
And, um, I was a civil servant years ago.
29:10
knownSo when Olly Robbins says, "Well, look, I was prevented from convention or the law, whatever, from actually telling the Prime Minister or any minister this," you think he should have asked, but how, how would he have known to ask?
29:25
Because of Peter Mandelson's history.
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[singing]
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Every time we pulled up somewhere where Leila was, as they got out of the car, she would run up to them and tag them, and then say, "You're it," and then run away, 'cause, like, everything was, you know, active and fast.
10:15
But it would be very intense, and she engaged with 100% of herself.

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15:33
Diane's got no clue what he's talking about.
15:36
"She's worried about the end of the world.
15:39
That's why we don't go anywhere." I, I sorta got the feeling that he was trying to make excuses for Shantell, like, "Shantell's like this, and this is why." But I didn't think Shantell was like anything.
15:53
I thought she was just a lovely, normal person, and it's really up to her to tell me if she's got end time syndrome, but okay.
16:00
Thanks for the phone call, Simon.
110:46
Everyone I've talked to, whether they're Labour or not, sort of, I mean, lots of Conservatives say, "Yeah, it was a Labour (laughs) budget." Um, do, do you think that's done, gone quite a long way to securing Rachel Reeves' position?
110:59
It has gone away towards making Rachel's position safe, because as you know, uh, a couple of weeks ago, it all looked very wobbly.
111:11
But in the end, I never thought that the Parliamentary Labour Party would move against Rachel or Kier.
111:20
The truth is, as I'm sure you know, that we've got these elections in May, they're gonna go very badly, and if we replaced Kier and Rachel at this point, they would have to take responsibility for the terrible May election results.
111:38
So I think they'll hang on in there, and after May, I think they really have to worry.
112:07
Well, what do you mean by that?
112:09
Well, the point is that Kier became leader of the party.
112:17
He then swept out the left.

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