Beautiful, but not in any way representative of the work that's being done at the moment.

No, absolutely right.

absolutely right no nobody yet believes me and we managed to get a teeny little snip to it when just trying to think of her name i'll tell tell your name in a minute television they did a tiny little bit of filming here and she's kept on trying to bang the drum and get a program again because 1980 there was a program on television bbc 2 7 30 in the evening posh time and it was about 25 minutes and it was About a set of 10, talking about embroidery, but it was all from, and I've got the book actually that went with it, but it wasn't true creativity.

It was a lot towards it, but it didn't go where we're speaking.

How did they actually structure the program, was it? historical? It was contemporary but they went for particular objects and I was actually the design consultant trying to give them ideas of what they could start getting people to look at and to draw and then to make and then go through different techniques from applique to surface stitching to different things.

Yes, I can show you that.

Still can't copy that.

And what happens to it eventually, Diana? Will it all stay together?