So what are the biggest changes that you've witnessed in the industry over the last 30 years, and which developments would you say have been the most transformative?

So we've, we have a, a, a two-part story in South Africa.

We have the one part where we've had these fantastic changes on a social and political level, and the landscapes have changed, but what that has also done is it's also changed the way the whole country operates at the moment.

We have had a lot of, um, infrastructure decay over the past 30 years, which has caused challenges for us.

For example, um, our stability in the ports is not there at the moment.

We have have had large, um, delays in getting cargo, for example, from the port into the hinterland.

We have seen that over the 30 years, there's been a lot more degrading of our rail systems.

And we don't want to dwell on this too much, but I'd be interested at what you see as the biggest obstacles that company face, that companies face when trading across the continent, and also what DACHSER is doing to combat this.