But can you kind of tell us how you got involved in it?

Absolutely.

So I'm kind of piggybacking off of that again.

So it was one of those where, again, just kind of being around for sure.

Um, just talking to people, uh, networking, having conversations, um, the experience, the coaching side of things as well.

Um, even the podcast is as a movement from a lot of things, right? So, um, that kind of carried over to a lot of things.

Uh, Dave Lopresti shout out to MCN sports management, by the way.

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