I'm also interested in how you, what was your introduction to this work?

Sure.

Well, a little bit about me.

I was incarcerated for 10 years in the federal prison.

I lost my daughter to gun violence while I was incarcerated.

But before all of that, I was entangled into the family policing system at a, at a younger age than, so I've seen both sides of the fences.

I've seen how the criminal justice system and the family policing system are both the same.

So Desiree, you wanna give us a little bit of that?