Sometimes they don't get anything out of it.

Well, I'd say it's about the drivers.

What's in it for the universities? I'd say there's kind of three big things they're looking for.

The first is all universities are passionate about this idea that the research they do should change the world somehow.

And the reality is to do that, you often have to do that in partnership with a company or by creating a company because it's about finding ways to scale that research and bring it out.

So the first thing is impact.

And all universities are driven by that.

What typically is the expectation from the university's perspective? If you've got 50 startups, how many of them would you see making it all the way?

But in being a crusader, Dermot, he had to break rules along the way and also rules that got him in trouble with the law.

Well, he did go to jail twice for his convictions.

And there have been other crusaders in Australia.

But Darren had the loudest voice, particularly when he was at 3OW and then on air in his current affairs show for that six years.

So, you know, he did it his way.

I don't know what to say about the man.

I admired him enormously.

Demba, when you look back at media personalities over the years, and, I mean, there have been many across both radio and television, where does someone like Darren Hinch stand?

So will you please welcome Dr. Dermot O'Brien.

Evening, everyone.

Thanks so much, Patrick.

And thanks for the kind words.

Thanks, Linda, as well, for hosting us here in Trinity.

And congratulations, Maria, on the award.

You're going to have a busy 24 hours in Dublin and an even busier, I guess, 48 hours across the island of Ireland.