Dr. Smith, how do you know this gentleman?

Well, I guess I'm on the other end of the bookend because I was Dr. Daniels' advisor at the University of San Francisco as he pursued his doctoral degree.

And myself and my two colleagues are the final signatures on his dissertation in order to graduate.

So you go from where Brother Floyd was just speaking all the way to near the end of or not the end, but a very important transitional point in his journey.

And when he came in, you know, the thing that I appreciated the most was his character.

candor and his humility, his transparency.

The doctoral process is a very challenging one.

It's very