Can you, I suppose without giving too much away, can you share a moment from Goblin where you feel like that humor really helped you or your character navigate those difficult emotions?

Well, so in this show, the audience kind of collectively plays a character, which I think sounds exhausting.

For the audience, but it's really not.

I mean, I mean, there's times I'll talk to people in the audience, but I only talk to people who like volunteer to have that happen.

And I would never like call somebody out unwillingly or make somebody like participate when they don't want to.

But I think that like what's happening because this show, the show is about like this, like at the beginning, we meet this like sweet, naive kid, like a 15 year old boy.

who we kind of like fall in love with because he's so like good but like so naive and like so much of the laughs come actually from like the dramatic irony of us knowing things that are like inevitably going to happen that like he is so unaware going to happen and part of that is because of like a deep i think like sympathy that we feel and like an understanding it's like presumably grown-ups in the room who who know what life is like in a way that this kid doesn't And then over the show, he grows up and he kind of transforms into someone really different to like who he was in the beginning.

I wondered for you how that long, revolving process has shaped what the show has become and what we'll get to see in November.