And for Derek, his talent was clear from day one.

It was Fulham away in a friendly, so we were playing down at Fulham.

We heard that a new goalkeeper was coming in, Kevin, from Birmingham City.

So basically, I remember him playing, we're playing in the game, and I remember looking back and seeing that he had a big presence, you know, in the goal.

Uh, the au- had an aura about him, you know.

And like you said, the Cornish man.

But he was very quiet coming in the changing room, which is, which is natural, isn't it? New, new to the club, very quiet, unassuming.