So we always start off every conversation we have with a guest just – Talking about your running story, like how did you get into trail running? What are some of your favorite races? You know, what is it about trail running that you love? Can you share some of those things with us?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

I tell people I started running late in life.

The only running I started when I was 48.

The only running I did before that was running from the cops when I was in high school, you know, from a party.

That was the only, and that was usually through the woods too.

what what is that kind of what birthed this this app and maybe you could tell us a little bit about what the ultra fuel tracker is and like where did where did your idea come from and what's your background with it and that sort of thing