divorced a while ago and maybe you can just take us through a little bit of that story i think things started falling apart

maybe the first time when i was about seven six seven years old and my folks split so um at the time yeah dad had an affair so you know he he left the home we my folks were separated for about three years when I was about nine dad came back they reconciled things were okay for a while but I mean I was very aware that we led very they led very separate lives I never saw my parents um affectionate with each other everything was just very I mean You know, we were family.

We were just living.

And there was affection, but not the kind that you see on TV, you know, with parents embracing and that kind of thing.

That was normal for me.

Then when I was 15, I think it was maybe the empty nest thing because I was a teenager.

I was starting to learn about privacy, wanting my own space, locking my room door.

you know, just because they're not his biological