But it's like, I've just learned that you have to speak as if you're trying to explain it to a five-year-old, you know?

And this is where affinity groups come in.

So, for example, on the podcast I do, My Copreneur Podcast, I interviewed Robert Gallery is his name.

He's an ex-NFL player.

And I asked him, so you seem like the opposite type of like a psychonaut, like you're all ripped and serious and all business, right? So how did you get into...

ibogaine or mushrooms, so on and so forth.

He goes, well, I heard someone else, a former NFL player talking about it, or a Navy SEAL hears a Navy SEAL talking about it.

I'm grateful every fucking day for this, you know, just for the opportunity to speak with people like yourself or to grow mushrooms or to do anything and staying in that state of whether it's gonna, be this way or that way you know it's about being happy in the moment now because that's all you have really past doesn't exist future doesn't exist you're just you know pre-planning you know what you're going to do next but really there's no more important moment than the one right now

Um, but kind of along the same lines as of who gets quoted as a voice, like what, what would you say would be the voices that we're missing right now?

I think a lot of underground people familiar with the global political and environmental situation.

I think sometimes it gets divided into this camp of like there's people who are really well-versed in academia, and they've studied through this academic lens.

And I think there's a big disconnect there because like nobody does psychedelics in this rigidly controlled clinical environment.

It's probably less than 1% of psychedelic use.

99% at least, if not 99.9, is happening in real world contexts.

It's happening with people who are out at raves and who are at the beach and, and in artistic communes or just like taking them recreationally.

Uh, so if we wanted a healthier drug culture instead of a respectable one, what would the media change first?