Dennis Nilsen

In 1998, the police reportedly investigated a tip about a shrine dedicated to Martin that had been found at the home of a suspected sex offender in Liverpool.

In 2009, detectives reopened the case and questioned serial killer Dennis Nielsen and Sydney Cook, but neither inquiry apparently produced a connection to Martin.

The case was also complicated by the loss of some of the original police records, which obviously sounds extremely familiar to some of these other cases.

Martin's brothers were later told that the original investigation files had been destroyed in a flood at Kensington Police Station.

This means that not only did they go through their plan that they'd prepped for, but then after they had killed the person, they had in their mind an experience of thrill by brutalizing and dehumanizing the body further.

Now if we think about people who are psychopaths, and we think about the very high end of the psychopathic spectrum, think about Jeffrey Dahmer, think about Ted Bundy, think about Dennis Rader, Dennis Nielsen, all of those This is the typology behavior-wise that we would expect to see.

But I suppose we can also argue that the level of dehumanization that we would often note in disorganized killers, because when you think about the fact this person has gone to the trouble of making the room, to some degree, easy to clean after the fact.

Plastics everywhere etc.

Oh my God.

The next, I mean, not to go too morbid, but if there is ever a documentary about Nilsson, I mean, maybe there is, and they've used that song.

I mean, that's an unbelievable song.

Eight minutes.

Oh.

I don't think Dennis Nielsen did this, but it feels very Dennis Nielsen-y.

Like something he would have done, had he had the chance.

Exactly.

need...

Dennis Nilsen.

Dennis Nilsen, yeah, yeah.

Not Dennis Nilsen who did Can't Live.

The other Dennis Nilsen.

The other Dennis Nilsen.

Don't get

them mixed up.

Now, between myself and emeritus professor of criminology, David Wilson, we've been on a few front lines, seen some career-defining moments.

I was in Berlin the night the wall came down, shot at in Somalia, hijacked in Bosnia, reported from Baghdad, Tehran and Gaza, whilst the professor developed a relationship with Dennis Nielsen.

ran the two units for the most violent prisoners in England, visited death row in the USA and continues to advise on murder inquiries.

But neither of us have spent a whole career, 25 years, face to face with killers, rapists and paedophiles, confessing daily in the hope of getting out of jail.

What does that mean about his house? His house would retain its value.

I also owe that to Dennis Nielsen.

LAUGHTER

Does Steve Barnes understand what prison is? Like, he's concerned, you're sure I'll be in prison, but I need to maintain sources of income.