I make you reflect, I guess.

But what did I learn about confidence? I think what I've mostly learned is that if I want to be a confident therapist, I have to continue to do the work on myself.

And I don't think that's dissimilar to how you approach things.

No, no.

You can read all the literature and you can read all of the approaches, but it's the confidence to go through your own, I would say, like your cupboard in the back of your mind that you don't want to look at.

The confidence to stay going through there, the confidence to stay witnessing your patterns that you repeat and to watch those without judgment.

The confidence to acknowledge when you're maybe not able to do something and you have to refer out the confidence to ask.

what Jocelyn Place is.