So let me kick off by asking by way of background, Denise, why is the chamber as an organized formation part of the NMB civil society coalition? Sure.

So we've adopted an approach where you have to have a whole of society view as you do things.

You can't just protect the interests of business and then leave the communities behind.

So for a number of years, we've been working closely with the Nelson Mandela Bay Civil Society Coalition.

We all united around what needs to happen.

And it's for basic services to be delivered to both communities and to business because it's in all our best interests.

And what's great about the civil society is it includes all formations such as organized labor, business, churches, NGOs and so on.

Do you think this is going to work?